Boiler00 My son refuses to wear a jacket most times which is a great substitute. It can be heavy ample to block the wind and continue to keep out the cold. Good substitute to understand He's remaining warm. Gary B [ For problems get cooler this is the nice hoodie. https://delta8gummiesis91346.blogitright.com/32526464/not-known-facts-about-sam-s-club-state-sweatshirt